Thursday, November 03, 2005

Some Questions Someone Ask Me for Report They Were Doing for Their Bible College...

1. “In the beginning God created…!” What do you think? What has gone wrong?
God created everything. What has gone wrong is that sin entered into the world.

2. Will people be saved who have never heard about Jesus?
Yes - Some, depending on how they respond to the natural moral law (the law written in man's heart). Gods infinite mercy & justice decides this of course. But understand that individuals are saved only through Jesus- even if they have never heard of him. We can trust that God's Mercy does what is best.

3. If people hear about Jesus but reject Him will they be saved?
It depends on if they reject him to the end of their life. Christ is always ready to accept the prodigal son. The Grace is there for those who are willing to accept it. It also depends on what you mean buy "hear about". Just those that "hear" about him may not know about his message or very purpose. I like to think If a non Christian is trying to live a virtuous life and has submitted their will to good, then when they hear the message of Christ they will hear the Truth in their heart and try to acknowledge it. With that effort to acknowledge truth more deeply will come special graces from God that may lead to a Conversion to a deeper understanding of truth and goodness(God).

4. What do you think keeps people from believing in God/Jesus today?
I think most people agree God exists but the danger to our times is they can't fathom a God that interacts in Salvation history. They can't believe God sent his only son to die for atonement for our sins. They can't believe the word became flesh. People start believing there is no objective good and evil or that there is no Heaven or Hell (I just started listening to "The Screwtape Letters" on audio book and it gives some insight into this). They think "If God is so good and merciful, why does he send people to Hell?" And the reality is that God doesn't send them to Hell but they condemn themselves to Hell. Freewill gives us the chose to accept God's salvation or to deny it. Also, Justice and Mercy are often thought of as completely at the opposite ends of the spectrum but they actually are very closely related. In short I think that most non-christian people believe in God but some people think that the Judeo/Christian religion is like mythology and they are more comfortable believing more of an agnostic view. I think the media and society have a major effect on this philosophy.

5. Would you say that you are a Christian? What is being a Christian to you?
Yes most definitely. I try to be the best Christian I can but don't always live up to my full potential. We all fall short. Being Christian to me is to acknowledge that we are sinners and that Jesus is our Savior. That he died for our Sin to Redeem us so that we may have eternal Salvation. And then to live out the Gospel message. Believing Jesus is who he is means nothing unless we submit our hearts and our will to his infinite and merciful will such that his will becomes our will. Don't forget, even the Demons know who he is.

Here is one of the best summaries of being Christian:
I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell(the land of the dead,Purgatory, not the hell of the damned). On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic (universal) Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sin, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.

6. What do you look for in a church?
I found what I was look for in "a church". If one is a baptized Christian of an denomination then they are considered part of the Catholic(means universal in Greek) Church whether they want to or not. They aren't in full communion but are a part of the Universal Church. When I started my conversation to Jesus I was faced with these questions: Which church should I got to? What is the difference between the denominations? Why are there so many denominations? What caused the dis-unity? After some prayfully guided research I had to become Catholic. The Holy Spirit pulled my heart to a love for Christ and then to his Church. I look for a Church that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against. A church that Shepard’s with wise council. A Church that speaks the truth even when its not popular. People ask me how can you be part of a church that has done bad things in the past? My answer is that church isn't just the people only but the institution that Christ established guided by the Holy Spirit. People are sinners and people are in the church but the Church its self is not sinful but is God's own establishment for our good. When I first came to know Jesus in my Heart I considered a going to some non-denominational Bible Church because a house divide can't stand. I knew these people where on fire for the Lord and that they loved scripture and knew it well. My question was that how could these wonderful people that read scripture get completely different interpretations on certain issues? These were prayerful people who lived the Gospel. About that time I started Learning about Church history since the time of Christ. I started understanding how the early church developed. Learned about the divide between the east and west and eventually got to the Reformation and started understanding how the denominations came about. The Reformers had thrown the baby out with the bathwater. They had some good reasons to be upset because there where many crooked people in Church at that time and Martin Luther had different ideas about doctrine also. He composed his work Sola Scriptura stating that the Bible was the only deposit of faith. Before I had my conversation to Jesus personally in my heart I had taken for granted that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit but never knew how it came into being. Once I learned that a Church Counsel, that clammed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit ,had decided what books where in the Canon (official Bible) it made me wonder how is it that Christians believed that the Bible is indeed without error but did not believe in the magistirum (interruptive and guiding power) of the Universal Church. The Holy Spirit guided a Church Counsel to decide the Canon that was commonly believed by all Christians until about 1500 when the reformation took out seven books from the old testament. This made me wonder how do I know that the books should have been taken out. What authority did they have? This let me know that the Church I was looking for had to have the authority and guidance of the Holy Spirit. All of this lead me to think How can a person know that what they interpreted from scripture is all correct? This means I could interpret the bible anyway I want and be no different from Martin Luther. If I didn't like something the Bible said I could take it out if I like. As you can see things start getting out of hand. The Magisterium is the gift from God that Shepard’s us from potential error. Sometime we need protecting from ourselves so we don't drift too far. I found an answer to my earlier question: How could these wonderful people read scripture and get completely different interruptions on certain issues? The answer was they didn't have the magistium.
My Faith journey had lead me somewhere I had never though of. I hadn't even considered being Catholic- Why? I didn't know anything about it. The Church was a hidden, beautiful gift that I had never noticed. I realized The Catholic Church is the most non-denominational church of all - it was the first. Since I have become Catholic I have met so many people from different backgrounds and religions. Its inspires me to be a part of this melting pot of people in love with our Lord. G.K. Chesterton had a neat quote. He said:” If people lived for ever they would all either not believe in God or would become Catholic. I think being Catholic is the greatest Christian experience anyone can have. I love the fact that I can go to any Catholic parish in the World and be right at home.

In short I can answer what I looked for in a church... The one that has the most Pure and Complete Truth as revealed by God. Now that I am Catholic I can see may more reasons why this is the true Church of Jesus Christ.

2 Comments:

Blogger CP said...

May I answer a few of these?

1. “In the beginning God created…!” What do you think? What has gone wrong?
I agree with you that God created everything. But I don't believe that it is sin that made everything go wrong. God made us in His likeness. He makes mistakes like the rest of us and offers us forgiveness, as we should ask of Him. Sin is not responsible for the senseless death of a child, for example. A child that succumbs to cancer isn't being punished, nor are their parents. We question God when things like this happen, to try to make sense of it. I think that God has made a few mistakes along the way. He can't be everywhere all the time, try as He might.

2. Will people be saved who have never heard about Jesus?
Have to disagree. I believe that God will save me just as ferverantly as He will save you. I do not believe in Jesus Christ because in my faith of Judaism, that messiah simply does not exist. To imply that God would not save me because my belief factor is not the same as yours is ludicrous. I don't know Jesus in my heart, yet I love God...and from what I gather, Jesus was a Jew just as I am. Perhaps I am created in his likeness?

3. If people hear about Jesus but reject Him will they be saved?
I don't reject Jesus. I simply do not know him as you do. I know God, my Lord and Savior, just as He is yours. I live a good and virtuous life, or at very least, I try to...which is all God asks of us. If a sinner knows Jesus and a saint does not, who is more worthy of salvation?


Just thought I'd add my two cents.

You have a lovely Christmas. I say Christmas, because despite my being a Jew...I respect the day enough to know it is about the birth of Christ. Not the politically correct views of some that require us to say "Happy Holidays."

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Blogger Harold Nixon said...

Hello CP,

Thank you for your comments. And I say you are the MOST politically correct. Our society’s job is to protect and respect all religious freedom...not abolish all public religious references. So Happy Hanukah !!!

In response to #1:

Genesis Chapter 3~
Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made. The serpent asked the woman, "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?" The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'" But the serpent said to the woman: "You certainly will not die! No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is bad." The woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.

As a Christian, we believe in the idea of original sin. In Genesis, Adam and Eve are tempted by the serpent to eat of the forbidden fruit with the idea that God is hording knowledge or oppressing them some how and with the knowledge they gain- God won't be needed or they will be equal to Him ("like Gods").
The most significant sin was not that they physically ate some fruit, but that in their pride they willfully disobeyed God. Because of their disobedience:

Genesis 3 says~
To the woman he said: "I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall be your master."
To the man he said: "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat, "Cursed be the ground because of you! In toil shall you eat its yield all the days of your life.
Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to you, as you eat of the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face shall you get bread to eat, Until you return to the ground, from which you were taken; For you are dirt, and to dirt you shall return."

This shows there are consequences to the sin. Among them pain, suffering, hard work, and death ("Cursed be the ground because of you!" & "For you are dirt, and to dirt you shall return")
We don't know if there would have been some kind of "natural" death or not but hopefully I will get to ask God when I die.
Original Sin is like a disease of the soul that is pasted on from our first parents. We suffer from the effects of this sin. How many times have you known the correct thing to do but choose the wrong instead (without some sort of exterior temptation)? We have a dysfunction. We know what is bad for us but still do it.
You rightly said we are made in the likeness of God, but it is in the goodness of God not the imperfections and shortcomings. It is the gift of our Freewill. A creature made will only the ability for good has merit because it is good, but a creature made with the choice between good and evil...but chooses good has infinitely more merit. (I'm not using the term merit as the specific theological definition)
What if you had the choice between a friend who choose to love you and one who you forced to love you?
This is kind of how God works. He choose to create mankind to freely chose to love and be loved. This is how we are made in the image and likeness of God.
Christians believe that God IS perfect and IS everywhere all the time. He IS omnipotent. If God makes mistakes, as you say, then He owns us an apology. Can I forgive God? If I don't forgive him then what weight does my decision carry? Can I condemn Him to some sort of punishment? (By the way- God doesn’t condemn people to Hell...They condemn themselves by their choices. Hell is the absents of God. If they don't choose God, then any other choice is, by de facto, the absents of God.) There are classical philosophical arguments to the perfection of God. Here are a couple of links: (not comprehensive- just a few)
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/100401.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/100402.htm
http://www.saintaquinas.com/article6.html

In response to #2:

“Have to disagree.”
“To imply that God would not save me because my belief factor is not the same as yours is ludicrous.” ~CP

??? I think you presumed something I didn’t say. Re-read #2’s answer. I answered Yes
You disagreed that people who have never heard of Jesus will be saved?

Comment to #3:
“If a sinner knows Jesus and a saint does not, who is more worthy of salvation?” ~CP

The Saint Does know Jesus…if not by name…yet. The saint knows God to his knowledge. Christians believe God is three in one (the Trinity- God, a single being existing simultaneously as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). He is still ONE God but with three divine persons. An bad example might be water- H20. At room temperature it is water, a liquid-H20. At 0 degrees Celsius it is ice, a solid- H20. At 100 degrees Celsius it is steam, a gas- H20. It’s nature, H20, doesn’t change. It is still one but with three different states of being.
Neither is worthy of salvation…Salvation isn’t merited by us. A true saint is one who actively pursues God’s will in their life. They may not understand God in the Christian sense but are trying to be open to God. By saying this I don’t mean to say “any religion is fine as long as you have one”, but that there is some truth in most every religion… particularly Judaism ;) Some may be doing God’s will but have yet to see God’s fullness of revelation in Christianity- particularly Catholicism which is what I believe to be the fulfillment of Judaism.

I don’t want to appear like I’m trying to force my faith on you…but I only want to share my understanding of God and truth with you so you can fairly understand my point of view.

Some Links:
http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/resolve.asp?rafile=iq_1346.ra - Rosalind Moss a Jewish Convert
http://www.salvationisfromthejews.com/audio.html - Roy Schoeman a Jewish Convert

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